Shock Collar Dog Training “Spinning the Shock”

Electronic Collars for Dogs

If you have read some of my previous posts on shock collar use, How to stop all dog aggression behaviors and How to stop dogs from barking, when your not home.

You would have found out that for some dog behaviors that could possibly wind up getting your dog euthanized, I will wholeheartedly support your use of a shock collar.

The problem I have here is the dog training schools that teach their pupils to use shock collars exclusively, for all aspects of dog obedience training. As apposed to  teaching them how to communicate with dogs.

The other problem I have with this, is the  candy coated descriptions of how the “shock collar” actually gets your dogs attention. They will tell you that the shock collar is used to “prompt” your dog, ” Oh, that sounds nice”.

Or they will equate it to a gentle “pulse” , or mild “stimulus”. Wow, that just sounds so gentle and non offensive. I wonder if they make these collars for kids, I betcha Jimmy would clean up his room if I “prompted” him a little bit.

And interestingly enough a relatively new term for shock collars is ” The E-Touch method”

Plain and simply, without the sugar coating and niceties a “Shock Collar”  SHOCKS your dog. Remember I will encourage your use of a shock collar with certain behavioral problems, just not for sit, stay, down or any other obedience command.

And please tell your clients that “yes, it shocks your dog” after all, their not stupid.

The Spirit Dog

P.S.

Remember,  “It amazes me that a certain segment of the general public and dog training community, would rather kill a dog than use a shock collar. Their logic is illogical at best, ” I could never do something that mean to a dog” , yet they have no problem killing the dog under the guise of ‘ Humane Euthanasia’.  You are not humanely euthanizing a healthy animal, you are killing him or her.”

Copyright © 2008 A.S.PAPSZYCKI

9 Responses

  1. […] Shock Collar Dog Training "Spinning the Shock" The problem I have here is the dog training schools that teach their pupils to use shock collars exclusively, for all aspects of dog obedience training. As apposed to teaching them how to communicate with dogs. […]

  2. So what your telling me is “shock collars” don’t shock, OK.

    I see your one of those dog trainers that like to use shock collars for all aspects of dog obedience training. That’s disappointing.

    Now let me address some of your points.

    1- Yes the slip or choke chain does exactly that ( deprives oxygen), unless the individual knows how to use them. And by the way, they are both useless training devices for the majority of clients. But then you know that already don’t you?

    2- Another fairly ineffective training device is the head halters. Some dogs get it, some dogs don’t. Not the most reliable method.

    3- If your veterinarian treated you like an equal, then you would have heard the term “Slice and Dice”

    I will gladly expand on my 5% rule, if you would be so kind to expand on your 100% rule.

    But lets get back to the point, your in business and you may lose some potential clients if you tell them that “yes your dog gets shocked”

    Remember Robin, I don’t have a problem with shock collars. But to use shock collars for everything, it eliminates our need to understand and communicate with animals better.

  3. Yeah, I guess you’re right. When it comes right down to it, we are all just *shocking the dog*. And slip collars are *depriving oxygen supply* and head halters are *denying vertebral range of motion*.
    And doctors of veterinary medicine, I mean, get real, they are just *slicing through flesh* and jabbing *sharpened pieces of metal* through skin.

    It is all just semantics.

    Would you be so kind as to expand on your 5% rule? Please point me to the study that supports your statistic. I am sure as a person concerned with absolute clarity you are able to back up all your statements and not just spin the version that sells best for you.

    Robin

  4. Your doing the same thing Marc, sugar coating it…… “catch a dog’s attention with a sensation that not only doesn’t hurt, but is only slightly over the threshold of perceptibility.”

    The purpose of the electronic collar should only be used to solve behaviors that WILL get that dog euthanized, not for any basic obedience training .

    You talk about proper trainers, now if a trainer really knew dogs they wouldn’t need to use a shock collar themselves. And would only have to recommend their usage to 5% of their clients.

    Or those clients that would rather see an immediate cessation of a particular behavior, then start working on how to better communicate with their dogs.

  5. If done correctly, one can catch a dog’s attention with a sensation that not only doesn’t hurt, but is only slightly over the threshold of perceptibility. Think of all the times a fly landed on your face and you felt it enough to brush it away, but not enough to feel pain. A proper remote collar can give a sensation like that. A proper dog trainer can associate that sensation with something pleasant such as come for a food reward.

    The problem, of course, is that not all remote collars are “proper,” meaning have very low but detectable levels. And not all trainers are proper trainers in that they may not know how to get great results on low levels. I have also met trainers who were so clumsy with leashes that they substitute heavy correction for proper timing. Fortunately, both skills can be learned.

    When selecting remote collar education, the primary goal of any owner (or any trainer wo wants to study) should be calm, gentle, pain free methodology.

  6. Oh Lynne, by the way fix your link.

  7. Thank you Shasta for making my point for me.
    …”Because the better brands on decent settings do not feel like shocks honestly. It feels like nothing more then a TENS unit you might have put on at the chiropractors office”

    If the dog didn’t receive a shock from the “better” brands, I guess they wouldn’t be a better brand now would they. Innotek, Tri-tronics, DT systems,Dogtra.

    Now have I ever felt the shock of course I have, I couldn’t get past level four on a Innotek collar.

    Lynne, tell your clients that yes it shocks your dog, don’t bullshit them.The higher the settings, the higher the shock. But also tell them that’s what makes these collars so effective for stopping “ALL” unwanted behaviors. Which may be saving that dogs life.

    Lynne your obviously a good person, but I’m sure that somebody explained it to you that way and now your telling your clients the same thing. Don’t do that be honest.

    — —- — — — —-

    What is a Tens unit, some highlights :

    Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulation, more commonly referred to as a “TENS,” is defined by the American Physical Therapy Association as application of electrical current through the skin for pain control (APTA, 1990). The unit is usually connected to the skin using two or more electrodes. A typical battery-operated TENS unit is able to modulate pulse width, frequency and intensity. Generally TENS is applied at high frequency (>50 Hz) with an intensity below motor contraction (sensory intensity) or low frequency (<10 Hz) with an intensity that produces motor contraction (Robinson and Snyder-Mackler, 2008).

    THE WARNINGS ASSOCIATED WITH USE:

    TENS Electrodes should never be placed:

    * On or near the eyes
    * In the mouth
    * Transcerebrally (on each temple)
    * On the front of the neck (due to the risk of acute hypotension through a vasovagal reflex)
    * On areas of numb skin/decreased sensation
    * On broken skin areas or wounds

    Information courtesy of Wikipedia. Read more.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcutaneous_Electrical_Nerve_Stimulator

  8. […] Here is the original post: Shock Collar Dog Training “Spinning the Shock” « The Spirit Dog […]

  9. I agree with you for the most part, and I don’t use the electronic collar beyond as a here and there kind of thing…however have you ever FELT an electronic collar before? If so, what brand and on what setting? Because the better brands on decent settings do not feel like shocks honestly. It feels like nothing more then a TENS unit you might have put on at the chiropractors office. That does not feel like a shock by any stretch of the imagination. Of course, I have felt other brands on different settings that DO feel like a shock. I think that your comment may be true, but you should throw in the caveat that not all “shock” collars are created equal. And not ALL of them feel like a “shock”. Some really do feel like stimulation from a TENS unit.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: